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From:
 starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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Hello
I'd like to propose cooperation, at least for the start of the game.
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From:
 BecomingCiv
To:
Siege Tortoise
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I think we should ally to work against BH and BM.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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Tell me more of what you have in mind.
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From:
 CleanerCode
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Lets split china in half between us. If you help me kill jade sun then I'll cede my
territory south of the 23 horizontal tile line. Eventually I'd like to trade my bases
and cities in the south for your northern cities. I think you will do well in the south
while I can stabilize the north.
What say you?
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
starhal
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Do you want assistance against purple? It seems you are in a hard starting
position.
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
DezMaxTr
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Do you want a truce between us? We both have immediate enemies we need to
fight against.
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
arislong
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We may start with troops to fight each other in the south. Do you want to team
up? I'll not contest the city of 24,39 if we can ally against blue and yellow.
What say you?
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
BecomingCiv
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We can split the south between us if you want to ally up.
What say you?
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
TacticsCommand
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Do you want to team up to conquer the south? We could be good allies.
What say you?
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From:
 LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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GLHF
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
CleanerCode
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I'm agreeable to that. I already won some good engagements against OS and should
be in a solid position to take the base at 30,37. Teal Galaxy will be closest enemy but
otherwise we can assist each other. FoW is tough but let's share map - I sent you a
friend request
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From:
starhal
To:
CleanerCode
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Possibly. You should prepare some army in case they capture my base. If they
don't, having a guarantee I won't be attacked from the west while fighting them off
should be enough
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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Well, I'll need to take at least one of your properties plus not have any of mine
captured by you, in order to have enough funds. From then afterwards I can
guarantee you'll keep your remaining 6-8 properties in Manchuria (Depending
on how many I need and/or whether other players will capture some of yours)
for at least 20 turns, and you'll be able to focus your attention elsewhere while
enjoying these funds.
The alternative is that you attack me, and I estabilish a coalition with Korean
Independence Movement and my fellow Chinese warlords in order to push you
out of Manchuria entirely. Worst-case scenario, I make a deal with a devil and
become a Soviet puppet in exchange for their assistance.
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From:
starhal
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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Thanks, u2
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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I'd like to open negotiations between us. If Japan attacks, we might need to work
together in order to survive.
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From:
starhal
To:
CleanerCode
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It is very unlikely to succeed, but there is a possibility of retaking Taiwan on this
map.
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From:
Siege Tortoise
To:
CleanerCode
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I agree to this. May fortune be ours!
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From:
Siege Tortoise
To:
BecomingCiv
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I'm more worried about orange blaze and the others in the south, it seems like BM will take a bit to get out of that corner. What say you? I'm open to cooperating
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From:
Siege Tortoise
To:
BecomingCiv
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nvm i didn't realize how much stuff BM had, you're right, we should focus them down.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
CleanerCode
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I think we should at least move to get rid of TG and BM. That would benefit us both a lot.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Yeah, we can work towards getting rid of BH in the middle, BM in the south and maybe move onto TG later if we can push BH and BM to collapse.
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
Siege Tortoise
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My soldiers in the south east want to move north, they will need to pass through
your base by the river. I will not shoot at you as I pass so please do the same for
me.
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Allying sounds good to me. The Japanese menace must be scoured from this land!
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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I already decided to make Korea a part of this map in the
second draft (mostly isolated by mountains except for a
railroad in the east), but unfortunately liberating it is not yet
possible in this version.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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I took some time to really consider your proposal and I'll be honest, your
proposal comes across more like an ultimatum than a negotiation between
potential allies. Even if our alliance is temporary, it should be based on mutual
benefit.
Right now, you're asking for one of my cities and full non-interference, which
gives you immediate income and positioning. In return, I get to maybe keep the
rest of my land, assuming others don’t take it, and only for 20 turns. That’s not
exactly balanced.
If we’re going to work together, I need more value on my side—not just
concessions. I’m open to finding a deal, but it has to be a fair one. Let me
know if you're willing to revisit the terms.
As a show of good faith, I’m sending you a direct message as well so we can
discuss more freely. It is my turn though, so we’ll need to move quickly so I’m
not too down on time.
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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My position is very precarious right now, and our relationship unequal, that is
why I need our starting agreement to be to my benefit materially. My receiving
of at least one of your properties is non-negotiable, whether we work together
or fight. All other parts are up to negotiation of course.
I wasn't completely clear on what I promise, I will not simply not capture your
properties in Manchuria, but if you agree to our pact I'll also make an active
effort to protect your properties. I mentioned "6-8 properties, depending on how
many [...] others capture", what I meant is that I'll do my best to protect 8
properties of yours but might not be able to prevent Koreans, other cliques,
Soviets or White Russians from getting 1 or 2. I still promise to try,
nonetheless.
As for me taking more than one property, my use of the phrase "Depending on
how many I need" was very much literal, I'll only take more than one if I do
indeed NEED it to defend myself- and your properties- from any threats.
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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Currently I am negotiating with Japan, but that is because I have to secure my
starting position rather than instantly rushing into a war while they have superior
army and even some troops behind my lines, that'd just be a bad idea on my part.
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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In short, what I offer is becoming a bodyguard for a big chunk of your income, so
that you don't have to worry about that. As for how long that would be, I wrote 'at
least 20 turns', not as you put it 'maybe keep my land, and only for 20 turns".
Also, what do you mean "only"? That's already almost half of the entire length of
the game.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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I appreciate your fast reply and clarification. That you work to protect my
properties is a better wording for sure. With that clarification your capturing a
city is fine by me. I'll respect it and take my turn while we continue to negotiate.
In the longer term, what I'd ideally like is a port adjacent factory to develop a
foothold in the region. It is a 4 turn reinforcement from my factories out at sea
even with Sami's additional movement. A factory would allow me to better ferry
units to attack other costs. If it is one of your own factories i can trade a city for
it. If it an enemies factory then allowing me to capture it will do.
Thoughts?
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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Shandong or Shanghai would probably be most enticing to you, seeing as they
offer two bases next to one another. Shanghai is close to Nanjing, whereas
Shandong peninsula would allow us to pincer Beijing if we do end up cooperating
after a while.
Alternatively, you can land in the far south, using Taiwan as a launching ground,
and directly confront the Kuomintang before they grow into a powerful threat.
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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As for my bases, I do have 4 of them with not enough properties to make full use
of them. But allowing you to build an army directly next to my land is a bit too
risky for my taste so I will not allow it, especially since it would block my only way
of expansion post-early game, that being mainland China
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From:
starhal
To:
OgItsKnucks
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Hello
I'm afraid we won't be friends in Manchuria, as I need to secure my territory. I
hope that doesn't mean we must remain enemies forever and ever
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From:
starhal
To:
DezMaxTr
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Greetings
As a fellow general of the Beiyang government, I'd like to estabilish friendly
relations and grounds for a potential alliance
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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Balance wise, transport issues will be smaller once I update the map, as I plan to
add Korea as a fully integral part of the map. There will be a Japanese base
there, but also it'll be yet another area in which Japan needs to invest heavily in
the early game or risk losing it to KIM, slowing down invasion of mainland China
(Mind you, all of that is to balance out the fact that Japan is the strongest faction
at gamestart, with only factions with higher income lacking comtowers and having
to deal with eachother in a brutal early-game combat).
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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On a sidenote, just how much did having to repair that battleship cripple your
income in the first turn? I hope not all the way down to 0, by my calculations you
should've still had 2-5k to spend
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From:
OgItsKnucks
To:
starhal
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i can pull my troops and reroute them thru your lands if you allow ill move off the
cities im in with no combat. thoughts. im capping now cuz im forgot where you were
on the map
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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I started at 13500 from base income. Reparing the battleship at (49,29) and the
infantry down at (43,44) brought me to 7700.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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As for your factories, (36,10) I wouldn't want because you are right that gets in
the way of your best route, (38,07) or (39, 06) while farther from the cost would
be fine.
The only argument I'd make for (36,10) is if you do expand into china and take
(29, 13), (31, 13) and (31, 15). Those 3 properties are what you are already
naturally going to develop towards. And at that point the script would flip. You are
asking me to trust you in protecting my properties you'd have to trust me with
yours.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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As it is now I am targeting Shandong. But that is easier said then done being
its 2 factories and the amount of income they have.
Shanghai is juicy but it's not realistic to attack for a long time because of its 4
factories clustered. With how long it takes to reinforce from the sea to attack it
doesn't math out unless I really slow build a naval invasion.
Attacking (39,39) early however makes the most sense because its a solo
factory.
All of these locations of attack however aren't you giving back in this
negotiation, its my plans of attack. A small factory foothold of your 4 properties
however enables an easier and earlier attack on Shandong.
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From:
Siege Tortoise
To:
CleanerCode
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roger that, be warned orange blaze is attempting to politick a joint strike against you
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Thank you for the warning my fellow countrymen.
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
arislong
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Do you want to ally up?
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From:
duck658
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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Could we have peace between us?
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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I am doing the same now. Fighting will be difficult for me since my only base is surrounded by mountains, so I can only buy infantry and mechs. I'd say our end goal should be taking the peninsula at (37,15). From there, we might be able to attempt an invasion of Japan.
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Thank you for the assistance with azure. I'll move in to capture his cities on my
next turn. Just a heads up Purple is landing tanks on 36,19. I have walled him off,
but he can get back in the lander and go around south.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
duck658
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Thats fine by me. I wont attack you so long as you don't attack me.
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From:
Siege Tortoise
To:
CleanerCode
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I spaced out and starting capping those northern bases w/o thinking since it's been so long since this game finished a round. I'll be moving out promptly next turn so you can move in
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Thank you for the message, I was worried you were betraying your word. Just let
me if there is anything you want me to help with.
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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I have successfully negotiated peace with PL. I'll start massing infantry in the area around (42, 09). Do you think there's anyone else who can help us fight PL later on?
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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Perhaps TacticsCommand can be persuaded to attempt a naval invasion on
Taiwan.
CleanerCode also expressed concern about Japanese dominance, but I feel
they're just as likely to ally Japan and turn on me. The biggest concern is
OgltsKnucks, trapped between Soviets and Chinese factions they may seek
Japanese help and invade my lands from Mongolia
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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On positive notes, I recently purchased a third artillery unit, thus I should be able
to match Japanese troops on the mainland. I don't think I shoud delay much
longer, but I think I'll keep the truce with Japanese for at least one more turn
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From:
starhal
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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Got a few new ideas and learned a bit more about the period. In next version
of the map, I'll give Black Hole and Yellow Comet a few properties in Japanese
behind-pipelines section, to reflect Japanese funding of these factions (And
encourage historical cooperation between these warlords as Japan, as long as
Japan doesn't cut off that funding of course). This will be accompanied with a
slight nerf to Japanese, who will have only 2 comtowers, but Blue Moon and
OS won't have Whampoa academy offmap anymore, instead it'll be a single
comtower placed in Shanghai (The academy's actual location) meaning that
anybody will be able to capture it.
Also, I made a small error, Nanking should've started under Black Hole control
but Tianjin (Base at 31;15) should be under Green Earth. Since Nanking is
much more important, to compensate and make the historical outcome of their
war possible, Green Earth will be given more starting units.
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From:
starhal
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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Edit: Idk what I was smoking, Whampoa was near Canton not Shanghai.
Nevermind that part, I'll probably still nerf it to just one comtower and remove the
gimmick of Communists being able to take part of it
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
TacticsCommand
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Do you still want to share vision? I'm down to do it if you are. I see that Teal is
gone so you should rush in to take the cities before green does.
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From:
CleanerCode
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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Dammit! I accidentally had auto fill in turned on and misclicked resigned. Sorry
guys.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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Well that changes things.
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From:
duck658
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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Would you guys like to ally with me against PL? I'm currently at truce with them, and so is YC, but me and YC are preparing to attack them within the next few turns. Our goal is to drive them out of Korea and Manchuria. I'd like to know if LimeYellowOrangeTactical could provide naval support in the Yellow Sea from the harbor at (49, 07).
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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I've requested help from the communists in attacking the Japanese. Hopefully, the Soviets will be able to send naval support when we invade the peninsula at (37, 15).
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
CleanerCode
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Wtf mannn
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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You didn't actually plan to stab me. Now I feel a little bad, but it's too late to go
back from the stab.
In my defense, I'm a veteran Diplomacy player, lying and betraying is in my blood
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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Also, the Tiger of Mugden was a bandit before he took over Manchuria
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
duck658
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Let me talk with my teammate first, I would say yes but your going to have to ask
OS.
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From:
duck658
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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Alright then. Just let me know when you guys makes your decision.
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Should I begin attacking PL?
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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Correct, I didn't plan to backstab you. I am also a veteran diplomacy player, but it
seems our flavors of diplomacy are both different. Mine is through trust and
mutual benefit. Yours is seeking a singularly advantageous position though veiled
promises.
But your also wrong, its not to late to go back. You have a last chance to not burn
a bridge by backing off the properties. Your choice.
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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Yep, I already did
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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I meant the board game "Diplomacy"
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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I shall capture Japanese properties, but you can later capture
a port from me so that you can build a navy to liberate your
homeland
But I'll also need you to send some troops west, to prevent
factions hostile to us from capturing all bases left behind by
Black Hole
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From:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
To:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
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Ok
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
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I'm fine with the Alliance, are you?
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
duck658
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For now lets not hit each other until we make a decision.
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From:
duck658
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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Sounds good to me then. If possible, I would like assistance in breaking the pipe seams at (46, 16) and (46, 18). The closer to simultaneous, the better, as it will allow my 2 infantry to kill the PL infantry on the property in between.
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Alright, I'll do that. I don't really need to capture properties because my base is completely surrounded by mountains, meaning I can only buy infantry and mechs. The only property I want right now is (47, 06), since I just killed the PL infantry on it. Just know it will take me some time to head west.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Hello hello from the sea. How is your position looking? I was double crossed by
my previous ally and am looking to secure a new ally to help in taking this map
down.
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From:
Deedlith
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Would you be open to a truce?
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From:
Siege Tortoise
To:
Deedlith
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I apologize, but the Mandate of Heaven cannot be shared.
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
duck658
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Well I'm in just so you know, but it'll take a while to get out of all these pipe seams,
then I can help you.
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From:
duck658
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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Sounds good to me!
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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The Communists are with us now. The Soviets are going to help me open the pipe seams on the Korean peninsula so I can take the PL property inside.
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From:
Deedlith
To:
Siege Tortoise
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I apologize also but I believe it can. I am willing to have a truce with
to wipe everyone else out. In the end, I'll take the path of honor and
allow you to be the rule of the empire. No one else has tried to reply
back to me
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
duck658
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So what exactly happened with your offer of peace between us? Turn 4 capturing
my port then turn 6 taking out my infantry.
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From:
duck658
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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YC and I allied at the start. Both of us negotiated peace in advance so that we could build up forces against you. Sorry about the dishonesty. We felt it was necessary at the time.
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From:
Deedlith
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
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Just so you know, in fighting green.
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From:
Deedlith
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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You fighting with green? I am, idk how long I can try keep him from
capping all my stuff
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From:
Deedlith
To:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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I'm going to move up to help blow up the wall for you
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Deedlith
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Oh thx, but why?
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
|
truce?
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From:
Deedlith
To:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
|
Fighting with green and might get wiped out. Would it help you if I
help blow-up the wall?
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
|
I would be willing with the potential of you giving 21,41 over in a few turns. I will not push east from there into you, if you have take advantage of GE and moved into former GS territory. I am currently take over the OS base area north of my main area.
If so, we can potentially work together in the future after that exchange. I am currently not attacking GE due to working again OS in the north. But we can potentially fight against GE in the future, together.
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From:
starhal
To:
Siege Tortoise
|
I offer temporary cooperation against Japanese invasion of Shandong
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
|
Since BH dropped out, GE controls all of east/northeast China which is a problem.
Agree to peace and work together. Proposed terms:
- I will finish capping at 13,42 since it is close to my base
- You can finish capping at 16,41.
-You can have the base at 21, 41. Given the strategic position of that base
between my lands and can cut me off, I would propose that I'm allowed to keep a
recon on the city next door and you only build infantry/mech/non-tanks from there.
I believe this is fair and if you agree this turn I will move all my troops east.
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Deedlith
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Oh thx, that is very kind of you.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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I fully agree to these terms.
And I will be moving north against OS and north east to limit/attack GE once I can get things slightly repositioned. And you may also keep the city itself along with that recon there.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
Deedlith
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I’m in a bunch of flights. Starhal and duck pretended to be my allies
then backstabbed me to push me out of the northeast and now i am
fighting all along the coast to get a foothold. Green is of the folks i
am fighting.
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From:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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This maps is so unbalance
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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I think the issue for OS here is just players dropping out to cause some of that lack of balance in part.
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Sounds good, will keep that base open
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From:
Siege Tortoise
To:
starhal
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agreed
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From:
starhal
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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Like so many other maps I made, it's supposed to represent historical situation
first, and be balanced second. Tho in case of CCP I took some creative
liberties to make them stronger than they were in reality. Some changes I'm
considering for that purpose:
- Just make it part of the rules that CCP and KMT should be in one team, tho
that could make the map even more unbalanced than it already is
- Remove one comtower from "Whampoa academy" and make it Blue Moon
only
- Make it easier for all players to reach inner mongolia (Or leave it), and
replace a few pipeseams in Soviet paths towards China with forests so they
can enter the map quicker
- Change Korea to a fully playable region
- Give Green Earth a comtower, since one of their leaders Wu Peifu was a
strategic genius compared to nearly all other warlords (On a sidenote, he was
famously incorrupt and held an anti-foreigner stance. Unlike many other
warlords he refused to find refuge in foreign concessions or accept Japanese
funding, and when in 1939 Japanese offered to make him the leader of their
puppet government in northern China, he responded that he'd be happy to
accept if it meant every Japanese soldier in China immediately giving up post
and going back to Japan. He died the same year).
- Make parts of the yellow river near Luoyang impassable by putting ocean
tiles there
- Maybe add a new warlord faction, "Minor warlords", most importantly this
would allow me to add Feng Yuxiang as a playable faction (Future founder of
Guominjun, and even controlled Beijing for some time, tho at the start he would
be reduced to northern Shaanxi province so the base at 20;13), and make
Sichuan properly chaotic as it should be
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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I left western base in Beijing, at 29;13, for you to capture
I think I'll dedicate a few troops for an expedition into Mongolia, but most of my
army is now cooperating with Siege Tortoise to push Japanese out of the base at
32;21
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Thanks! I'm heading over there as fast as I can. Let me know if you want me to send some troops into Mongolia. If I get there before its over, I'll help you fight the Japanese.
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From:
duck658
To:
Siege Tortoise
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Hi there, could you not attack my mech at (42, 33)? I'm allied with YC, and they told me you're allied with them, so we're allies.
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Japanese battleship off my coast is rough. I'm setting up for a Sami SCOP to try to
shock and awe GE. Are you putting pressure on that base at 25,31 or should I be
defending against that front?
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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Currently repositioning the units up north after OS dropped. Will be pushing east from there.
I will pressure 25,31 with my infantry and three tanks, etc. That way you can focus on the other portions of the front.
God willing that battleship is not too hard to handle. Any saved up resources for a sub or such? I can handle the ground with my coming position having the two bases of 8,28 and 9,29 being captured now. If you wish to save for a sub in that instance. Unsure of your situation east of Hong Kong.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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Income will be 13K after finishing captures on next turn. 86K current unit value.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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https://i.imgur.com/EiesVW3.png if curious.
I have three tanks, some infantry, an artillery and mechs in the south I can move towards 25,31.
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Appreciate the information.
Can't screenshot and send via imgur (on work computer lol) but I'm at 17.5K
income, ~83K unit value, 49 units (34 inf; 2 recon; 7 mecsh; 3 tanks; 2 arty; 1
APC). The 2 com towers and soon-to-be-captured lab in the southwest are
coming in clutch.
Heavy fighting between me and GE centered around my base at 30, 37 and
the mountain range to the east. GE controls Shanghai. PL has a battleship and
forward cruiser and is landing tanks around my base at 39,39.
Yeah good call on the sub which I'll produce when i capture the lab but limited
income makes it so challenging (and his defensive cruiser). Just going to flood
the shores with infantry/mechs while pushing GE. Depending on the
circumstances, I may even build a bomber to OHKO the cruiser then take out
the battleship.
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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You can also take the port at 37;15, tho PL is bombarding it
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Got it, I'm sending 2 infantry down.
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
OgItsKnucks
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This is extremely unfair, you didn't have to fight black hole and I'm stuck behind
these pipes with no room.
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From:
OgItsKnucks
To:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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you still have the left ide of the map unmolested, i did beat BH ass in with my initial
attack on the top center. ive lost damn near everything outside the pipes and have a
med tank pissing off brown in the mid left of the map. your doing fine, if you have
issues DM the map creator or dont join broken maps if this is one of them.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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Did you want to friend each other so we can share vision? I believe that should work in games like this.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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I like the position we are in based on your units and area controlled. I will definitely be focusing on the land. That was you might be able to secure the ocean eventually with greater properties.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Deedlith
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So what is our situation in my north? NAP since we seem to have not decided to attack each other?
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Yeah we're definitely the most powerful. I got hit by 2 of those damn missiles... so
annoying
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From:
Deedlith
To:
BecomingCiv
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Fighting green and the other guy. Holding my own with green. Going
to be releasing fire red out of the wall
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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I have captured (37, 15). I will capture the base at (29, 13) next turn. What do you want me to do afterwards?
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Who are you fighting in the north? I only see GE down here
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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BD is up there but we haven't traded any blows yet.
We will be fighting now likely due to GE dropping.
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Gotcha, nice. Yeah I'll start building naval units to fight Japan/PL
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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Japan controls the bases at 35;20 and 32;21. They must be pushed back, for the
sake of all of China
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From:
starhal
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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Zhang Zuolin proclaims a new government of national salvation with capital in
Beijing. He rallies all generals to push back against the Japanese invaders
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From:
starhal
To:
Deedlith
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If you answer the call, I'll cease hostilities
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From:
starhal
To:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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Our leader had begun reading some works of Karl Marx and other prominent
communist ideologues such as Rosa Luxemburg, and finds much inspiration in
them for the future path China should undergo, should it survive Japanese
invasion
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
starhal
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Do you support the Republic of China, unified by a government led by a unified people against the Soviets and the Japanese?
The KMT in the south and I have been working against the warlords, and them the Japanese. Given the situation, a unified Chinese Front against all invaders.
We have made major successes to securing control over China from the plethora of minor warlords and people committed to their own power, and thus abandoning lands of China to countries such as the Russia and the coming Bolsheviks, Japan, the foreigners of Europe, the concessions.
The Ma North of my control in Lanzhou, to Wuhan to my east, my west has the Ma in the mountains before the rivers directly west of Lanzhou. The KMT have made it to the outside of Shanghai. The warlords routed from their territories, long live a unified China.
The Ma north of me have stated working with the Soviets and their communists.
Mongolia, I am unsure of what is happening there.
Is Manchuria being over run by the Japanese and their puppets?
I understand your statement and main support would be in there, and I worry for the peoples there if we are to have a unified people of the republic of China.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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Do we trust the Fengtian?
They state a unified effort against the Japanese and the Warlords?
And have taken Beijing. Is this a legitimate effort against the Japanese from the people of China, and the proclamation of a unified and legitimate Republic of China?
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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It is a fair question. The forces of KMT are soon to liberate Nanjing and Shanghai.
We would agree to kick out the Japanese but we shall maintain south and east
Chinese hegemony.
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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KMT forces are liberating Nanjing and Shanghai under the enlightened authority of
our new leader Chiang Kai-shek. We will allow no Japanese troops or warlord
lawlessness in our territories.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
|
The forces of Yunnan stand with KMT in the effort to unify China as the Republic of China, with no banditry of warlords, or the intervention of foreign powers that seek to subjugate or control the people, lands, or minds of China.
We still support the concept of the Five Races Under One Banner, and the KMT best represent that. Long live the Republic.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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We fast approach the yellow river's southern coast.
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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I will send my forces south then.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
TacticsCommand
BecomingCiv
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Japan acknowledges our past conflict with Kuomintang (KMT) and set aside
past the past transgressions in order to share wisdom.
We have heard the broadcasts from Zhang Zuolin (Starhal) and see it as
blatant propaganda from a manipulative power hungry leader. Japan was
previously allied with both Zhang Zuolin (Starhal) and and Korean
Independence movement (Duck658). Together they without provocation
purged Japan's foothold on the mainland and continue their warpath.
Their rallying generals is only to further manipulate and deceive for power.
Zhang Zuolin (Starhal) himself admitted "lying and betraying is in my blood".
While Japan can accept your not wanting us on land that is rightfully yours, we
can't accept Zhang Zuolin (Starhal) to seize more control untested.
Consider, and head our warning.
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
SeaweedCowboy
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The united KMT and Yunnan forces will consider this offer as will liberate central
China
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Let me know your thoughts, we're pretty much steamrolling at this point so not even
Japan is a threat
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
SeaweedCowboy
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The KMT and Yunnan Clique stand together without interference.
Many races, one China, and your fights against the Fengtian are your own. Ours are our own. We stand without outside influence.
You are another nation that would seek and have sought to bring China into a thousand years of humiliating concessions of land, rights, freedom, and self determination as a nation of the people of China.
The warlords of the north as well are nothing but an extension of imperial power abroad from the empires of Europe, yours, and those communists from the RSFSR.
Or power hungry mongrels that seek to re-establish concepts of mandate of heaven, empire, and subjugation of Chinese peoples under other Chinese peoples. All races under the banner are one force, and one united front against imperial ambition. Or are traitors to the peoples of China. And those with imperial aspirations to partition China in warring states of national and ethnic divisions are traitors to the cause that all generals should have committed themselves to under the Beiyang New Model Army.
Long live the Republic.
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From:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
To:
Deedlith
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I'll just move my units through your territory, I won't cap anything.
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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I just gave you vision of all my troops. Could you give me vision of yours so we don't trap each other?
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From:
Deedlith
To:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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Cap if you need to. I don't know how much longer I'll be able to hold
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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Hey, this sounds insane and may be. I just joined a game in the public games section, and thought, "Oh, that map looks familiar" realizing it was one I made back in 2017 on an old account. I looked at the comments and saw your replies. It has made me want to potentially recreate said map and utilize some of the thoughts you had and with some new knowledge/perspective on the map's contents.
Thank you.
And long live the republic and the races of China.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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Sorry, I made the map in 2016 actually. Hahaha.
Your comment was from 2017 however.
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From:
Deedlith
To:
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
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Cap the places if you want while you're going by. Wiping out as
much of orange infantry as I can
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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Haha which map was it?? Yeah I've had this account since like 2009 or something.
What is your plan for the rest of this game? We're in the driver's seat and I'm not
really advancing (just building a navy).
Long live the republic and the races of China!
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
TacticsCommand
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I'm just going to keep pushing north on land, and hopefully you can take Taiwan, and move your forces to take Beijing and Manchuria potentially. I am completely unsure what the Soviets or the petty groups in Mongolia are up to north of here, but I've been moving to remove the Ma Clique. I see the Fengtian but not much from them, hopefully not hard. We will be able to proclaim a renewed nation of China after you or take Beijing, I'll probably let you take the properties as that seems more fitting.
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From:
Deedlith
To:
duck658
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I'm fighting yellow also. Use my arty as a wall if you'd like. I'll blow
up what I can of yellow before orange wipes me out
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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May the Republic stay strong with the loss of Sun Yet Sen.
May the People of China stay strong in ensuring the Republic's place in our future.
May we drive warlords and imperialist dogs from the lands of China. Soviet forces in the north have been met, and are being fought.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
starhal
duck658
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So with the dissolution of the KMT forces into anarchy and death of Sun Yet Sen, do you think we may set aside our small skirmishes to focus more on keeping Japan and the reds from gaining influence in our nation? I will be unsure of your motives for a republic, but we can agree on at least one principle, being the national character and integrity of the Chinese nation.
Long live the Republic. The mantle of the revolution falls onto us.
And the independence of Korea is always a positive to be had in this world. I did not expect us to see forces of Korean movements to have forces this far into China.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
starhal
duck658
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Consider this offer well. The Ma are almost done for. And I still have 25.5K income and 200K in unit value roughly.
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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I think Amber Blaze will straight up just win if we agree to their offer. It shall be the
final war to save the republic
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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I offer truce, as Amber Blaze threatens to destroy me and unite China, the latter
of which would be very bad for you
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Then we shall continue to fight them.
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From:
duck658
To:
BecomingCiv
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The people of Korea thank you for your recognition of our freedom and glory, but they shall act in support of the ones who have freed them from the tyranny of the Japanese. There will be no peace.
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
duck658
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This is a welcome response. Long live the free peoples of Korea, and long live freedom in China. Death to the Japanese and their imperial ambitions.
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From:
SeaweedCowboy
To:
starhal
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Nah. You backstabbed me in the beginning so any chance of truce
is gone.
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From:
starhal
To:
SeaweedCowboy
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Ok, then we both lose :)
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From:
starhal
To:
BecomingCiv
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Japan decided that because I backstabbed them at the start, they'll continue to
fight me even tho you are just a few turns away from winning the game
GG
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
starhal
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I still extend a hand out to all Chinese and independent peoples in fighting the imperialist ambitions. All you need to do is take that hand and accept the original missions of nationalism, democracy, and welfare of the people. I am willing to forgive and forget for the unification of China.
May the Japanese efforts lose their steam. This will still be difficult if it ends up being a drawn out battle over the coast against Japan. And the Soviets over the Mongolian border, then you in the large areas of urbanized territory in the north east, around Beijing.
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Are we allied with BD?
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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I offered BD an alliance, and they attacked me in return
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From:
starhal
To:
duck658
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But it doesn't matter. Japan insists on fighting me, even as Amber Blaze is about
to win by capturing properties, so we lost anyway. I don't know why I haven't
forfeited already
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From:
duck658
To:
starhal
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Hopefully the game lasts long enough for me to use my SCOP!
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From:
TacticsCommand
To:
BecomingCiv
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RIP I missed the timer. Carry on KMT's legacy brother
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
|
I think I have only nine more properties to capture to get the victory from property count.
Good game, everyone. Long live the Republic of China, and all the peoples of China.
Rest in peace Sun Yet-Sen. May National unity and Salvation be achieved. I am still willing to extend a hand out to all those of Chinese and Korean fighters willing to work towards the unified and anti-imperialist front.
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From:
starhal
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
|
GG
Who would have expected bandits from Yunnan to beat bandits from Manchuria?
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From:
BecomingCiv
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
|
I honestly did not expect to do well with the Yunnan clique with this map.
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From:
duck658
To:
Jose507pty
[Team C]
TacticsCommand
Siege Tortoise
starhal
CleanerCode
LimeYellowOrangeTactical
[Team C]
duck658
Deedlith
BecomingCiv
DezMaxTr
arislong
SeaweedCowboy
OgItsKnucks
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GG, well played!
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