Creator: Xmo5 || First Published: 03/04/2013 || Players: 2 || Size: 31x31
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Xmo5 (03/04/2013 08:42pm):
Okay so obviously this is an attempt at an asymmetric/"realistic" terrain style map. Along with that comes just about every balance issue you can imagine (which is why people usually don't like them) Anyway, I tried my best to balance it for now but I'm sure its not perfect, maybe not even close. I think if nothing else GE is able to expand a lot faster than BM but I was honestly too lazy to try and fix it right now considering I just spend like 2 hours on this and I want dinner. I thought I'd publish this work in progress so other people can complain about it and I can try to fix everything all at once. I'm aware this opens the door for just about everyone in the world to bash it, but hey, go for it. Just please try and be constructive if you think this map has any hope lol. That said I'm really happy with how it turned out aesthetically and I love the way its set up for multiple unique fronts. I also really love the tech-up on this map (thats the word right?) This thread is now open to complaints: |
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amigo1234 (03/05/2013 02:00am):
fairgame(titlemakesnosenseMAP) no azeotropes here |
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Madd Maxx (03/05/2013 02:39am):
It's asymmetrical, fta, and it's as aesthetically pleasing as a Vietnamese squat bathroom. rating 0/10 Vietnamese squat bathroom images: http://farm1.staticflickr.com/196/459021304_18916fede1.jpg http://sonjameyer.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/squat-toilet-225x300.jpg rotflmfao. No, I'm only joking. I love the map. I'm a big fan of asymmetrical maps. 1. I think you have to give blue a city near green's infantry to negate any fta or sta best possible. 2. The river squares in near blue's base is a little ugly. I would make them the curved ones, etc instead of the 4-way ones. 3. Love the several fronts 4. In the northeast it looks easier for blue to hide units (indirects) whereas green has to take more risk getting units there (less trees in the path) 5. It's cool how youycant capture seaports and towers till later in the game because the airports are so far away. I like that. You might want to consider giving each player an apc so the sea battle starts sooner. 6. Looks fair to me besides the sta. I would just count the cities near each base to make sure its reasonably equal. Otherwise I see no major problems. 7. Oh, maybe put more shoal on the southeast corner near blue's base considering there is shoal near green's??? 8. It might make things intresting putting a seaport somewhere in the middle, that can be easily attacked by rockets in trees. Like, maybe put the seaport on the mainland coast and put three trees in rocket distance from it from the island, maybe some trees on mainland too. I really like it. 10/10.... even considering the sta. I think with a big map like this and no neutral bases being fought for its not a huge factor. (This comment will get more complaints than your asymmetrical map. lol) |
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Madd Maxx (03/05/2013 02:40am):
and cool fuking title |
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Xmo5 (03/05/2013 10:06am):
*wonders how many people googled azeotrope* Lol I was really confused when I first read your comment. I was like, wait, what? This doesn't sound like him at all. Then I got it and it made sense. I so smarts. 1, 2, 4, and 6 I will consider when I go back through and fix the map. I'm not sure about 1, but I know something has to be done to better balance it. 7 I have one on the spot diagonally NW of BM's base. I may or may not add more. I would agree with 8 but it messes with the mechanic of needing the airport to get a port. It may cause a rush to the center rather than a slow build up with more strategic spending. I also don't want to add in an APC because it will enhance any FTA/STA problems I think. Thanks!! Keep the input coming everyone, I really want to make this map work! |
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amigo1234 (03/05/2013 01:10pm):
i did not need to look up what azeotropes are chemical masterknowledge is mine |
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Xmo5 (03/05/2013 02:52pm):
lol is it sad that I almost believe you? ... and sure this is an azeotrope, imagine the map as a boiling mixture of liquids GE and BM. For each army, the distance from their respective HQs (weighted by number/value of units) represents their vapor fraction. They (theoretically) will hit about a 50/50 azeotrope which can be broken by increasing pressure on the enemy forces (its like pressure swing!) to break the azeotrope and concentrate one's own "species" in the vapor phase. Although breaking the azeotrope with a third component doesn't play out well in AWBW, most any map could work with this analogy. This is how my brain works. |
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Shadow Star (03/05/2013 04:10pm):
An infantry or a city can be used to counter FTA, but when you have both you've just negated the fta counter (on most maps). He's right about the rivers though. fix up the rivers a bit, try and get as many tiles to sync up as possible. For the shoal issue, just put a few more near the bottom, opens up the chance of a lander invasion. I'm a little sad about rockets on this map. I'm liking how you've found a way to remove requiring a second airport to counter Stealthlock, by placing them in a way where losing your airport is probably a sign of losing. I'd sort of like the neutral bases to be a little further away from the neutral airport. and I'd like Blue Moon's ability to get ground units to the main front to be opened up just a little. While they have a better defense in the waning turns of a game, the limited mobility that they have imposed on them might hinder balance. Potentially changing up BM's base placement (swapping a starting base with a neutral city) might counteract that, but I'd still want to suggest looking into perhaps giving another path since 2 of the 3 bases BM is going to get are somewhat choked for getting units to the front line. As a nonsymmetrical map, it looks to be relatively balanced, Have you counted turns required to capture the neutral airport and neutral base for each respective team? The last thing I think I should ask is what your thoughts were on banned units or CO's (obviously the core 5 COs are likely to be banned due to their ability to overwhelm the opponents quickly and efficiently) but what about other CO, or specific units that unbalance the map? |
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Xmo5 (03/05/2013 05:03pm):
Thanks for all the input SS! On some of what you said: I'll definitely open up BM's side some because it is pretty hard to get from the base to the center. The reason its set up that way is because all the shoals provide extra movement, but I'll just open it up and compensate with trees for balance I think. The rivers are like that because they were actually a fix for ugly ocean tiles, plus allowed inf/mech movement. I'll definitely make them look nicer when I open that up. Yes, I did count turns to get to the neutral base and airport (by infantry movement) as well as turns from the airport to the port and the nearest shoal on "port/base islands" to nearest shoal on the bottom left island. I also tried to balance the distance to center for wheeled units which was pretty close if I recall correctly (35-37 movement maybe?) I think the main distance-type balance issues are the distance from BM's starting bases to BM's "second-level" neutral cities. While GE can comfortably advance to the next closest cities from the cities within 2 moves of their bases, BM has a bit if a dead zone in between. For example, I believe the number of neutral cities at 1,2,3, 4, and 5 infantry moves from starting bases are respectively: 1,5,2,1,7 for BM and 1,5,3,3,6 for GE. I think the capture phase will also go a lot smoother for GE because of city-to-city proximity. That will be fixed when I work on BM's side I hope. |
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Xmo5 (03/05/2013 05:14pm):
And as far as bans go, the broken 5 obviously along with Sturm, Kindle, and Sasha should be banned for sure. Lash might be dangerous with heavy terrain and so could Sonja if played in FoW with all the forests. |
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amigo1234 (03/05/2013 10:20pm):
WAS FAKE AMIGO, MAP IS "ok" but UNFAIR (NO SYMETRICAL) UNFAIR FUNFAIR (NOT FAIR) |
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amigo1234 (03/05/2013 10:20pm):
I GIVE 7/10 |
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amigo1234 (03/05/2013 10:23pm):
of course it was fake amigo, you dont even know what chemistry is |
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walkerboh01 (03/05/2013 10:24pm):
Fake amigo is best amigo. |
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Xmo5 (03/06/2013 08:37am):
@ amigo: What amigo said. Also, the fact that it wasnt 90% caps helps too lol. |
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blozzee (03/07/2013 11:14am | Edited: 03/07/2013 11:15am):
Fake amigo is fake. Real amigo1234 for president 2016. |
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Xmo5 (03/07/2013 01:43pm):
If that means that the government is going to become anything (more) like OS on his maps, I'd rethink that proposition lol |
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amigo1234 (03/07/2013 05:29pm):
I AM ALREADY EL PRESIDENTE ESTUPIDO |
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Xmo5 (03/07/2013 05:31pm):
ESO ES LO Q TU CREES ESTUPIDO |
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amigo1234 (03/07/2013 11:09pm):
ESO ES LO QUE YO SE ESTUPIDACABEZA LLAMEME EL PRESIDENTE DEL MUNDO |
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Xmo5 (03/08/2013 11:49am):
jaja lo q yo se es q no puedes ser el presidente del mundo si nadie respete tu autoridad... pues, mejor dicho, la autoridad q imaginas q tienes. Entonces, presidente, no. Bufon?? Eso es mas creible. ... ESTUPIDACABEZA |
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amigo1234 (03/08/2013 06:01pm):
estupido xmo5 is FAKE amigo1234, real amigo1234 don't talk about SS(stupid stuff) like el presidente and stuff like that, real amigo1234 confirm this, send private message. Fake amigo1234 and xmo5 and charlies and nyvelion are all estupido and da(DUMBASS) |
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airob (03/08/2013 07:39pm):
jajaja wut. |
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airob (03/08/2013 07:40pm):
I feel BM´s neutral production facilities are closer to the clump of cities in the center than Ge´s. |
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Xmo5 (03/10/2013 07:29pm):
Ahaha this is solid conversation material here. It must be all this chemistry shenanigans bringing out everyone's intelligent side. Also, I love how I'm being accused of posing as fake amigo haha. airob long time no see! Thanks for the input, I think I'm going to revamp this in a couple of days and Ill keep that in mind, thanks! |
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Xmo5 (08/20/2015 12:14pm):
For all those sitting on the edge of their seats, [Spoiler Alert] I didn't revamp this in a couple days. Not even in a couple years. Yup, I'm on top of things. |
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Context (07/25/2016 12:34am):
dang itttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt hurry up on it already then |
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Nyvelion (08/09/2016 04:54pm):
My favorite part is when he says "SS(stupid stuff)" and "da(DUMBASS)". What exactly is the point of making up abbreviations just to spell it out immediately afterwards? |
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Xmo5 (09/03/2016 05:11pm):
ITWSADTBILC(i think we should all do that because it looks cool) ENIS(estupido nyvelion is stupid) AFP (amigo for presidente) IGANWTTTT (i got a new way to talk, talk talk) |
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Nyvelion (09/27/2016 11:33am):
Just like having the real amigo here! |
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Nyvelion (09/27/2016 11:34am):
"I AM ALREADY EL PRESIDENTE ESTUPIDO" At the time, I thought there couldn't be a worse president than Amigo. Then Trump showed up. |
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Xmo5 (10/26/2016 09:47am):
That's already been debunked. Amigo is Trump. |
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