Centrifugal
Creator: Melt || First Published: 07/10/2016 || Players: 4 || Size: 21x21
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Rating: 10.00 in 2 ratings
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Comments:
Melt (07/10/2016 07:35pm):
So this map was inspired by boredom really. I'm not really sure how it would play out, but I wanted to
make a 4 player map since I've only ever made 1v1 maps in the past. Not sure how it would play out in
teams, maybe GE + OS vs YC + BM. Requires some testing to decide co bans I think. Let me know
what ya think and what you think I could improve. I tried to make it not too chokey.
liandry (07/11/2016 04:19am):
That doesn't look like a centrifuge at all!
...kidding.
It IS very chokey, but idk how to fix it; I'd probably start by removing the notches from the center square.
Xmo5 (07/11/2016 09:17am):
Not sure why you're kidding... I don't think it looks like a centrifuge either... :P

Also, agreed on the chokiness, plus the enemies are in very close proximity; bases and
airports can reach each other in one move which is dangerous. I think the best way to fix
those changes is just to make it bigger... sorry that's not very helpful.
Melt (07/11/2016 10:38am):
Y'know.. I didn't even think about the airports when I placed em down. I just kinda put em down.. I
think in the back corner near each HQ where the city is on the little island might be a better spot for
the air ports. But also the map is relatively low funds so even in the event that you capture each of
your cities, you're only making 11k per turn. With 2 people coming at you from either side idk how
much of a stale mate it really could become on 11k per turn, but I'm thinking right now a copter
could stop a choke point. In the center I think you're right Liandry. I think I wanna make those water
notches into mountains.

Also to be completely honest I don't even know what the word centrifugal means! It just popped into
my head after I made the map so that's what I named it, it was the name of a Super Monkey Ball 2
stage.
Xmo5 (07/11/2016 11:20am):
Centrifugal is a physics term, simply put to mean "characterized by or the result of going
around in a circle"... at least as best as I can describe it. Centrifugal force is what
you feel pushing you out when you spin in a circle, like at a carnival ride or when a car
goes around a turn quickly. This is also why you can spin a bucket full of water over your
head without losing a drop of water if you do it fast enough. Of course, physicists will
argue about "centrifugal" vs "centripetal" forces, the latter being a force in the
opposite direction and commonly regarded as more proper, but that's a long story for
another day. Centrifuges are pieces of equipment that use this force to separate layers
out of samples, by density for example. They spin things around really really fast and the
dense stuff settles at the bottom, just like it normally would* under gravity, but much
much faster. Imagine oil and water. It's basically like that except for more complicated
things like DNA. Your washing machine is also (probably) a centrifuge. It spins around
really fast and the water comes out of the clothes and moves through the little holes on
the outside.

Anyway, it's an appropriate name for the map, as it would be in virtually any Super Monkey
Ball (2) stage

*Sometimes things wont settle by themselves without the high energy involved from a
centrifuge, and some things require additional steps beforehand. Science can be complicated.

Back to the map, yes the islands would be better for the airports for sure. With respect
to funding however, low funding usually has a greater chance to cause stalemates than
higher funding on the same map. It might sound counterintuitive, but it'll make more sense
when I explain it. The AWBW metagame (basically what everybody normally agrees to be a
good overall strategy) dictates that you never leave a base empty. There may be rare
exceptions, but for the most part, expect to buy something on every base, every turn. If
you don't have a lot of money, most of what you can afford is infantry, and the more
infantry you have, the more bogged down the battle gets. With more funding, you see more
vehicles and air units which can help break things up a bit better and make a more
definitive impact on your opponent's forces when you attack. Having your infantry duke it
out while you accumulate more and more artillery and rockets behind them can be a long and
tedious battle.
liandry (07/11/2016 03:31pm | Edited: 07/11/2016 03:56pm):
I've read that centrifugal force doesn't really exist because it's just the reaction to the inward centripetal force, but then
again such a force should have a right to its name lmao. fck semantics or whatever that's called.

*reads the super monkey ball 2 part
OHMYGOD I HATED THAT GAME
I never seem to get the freaking rolling right. To hell with Centrifugal [the SMB2 one] in particular, it's like backing up with a
car in that spiral road in a building in Tokyo Drift; it wrecked my R key.
Don't get me started on the storymode: I can't even deliver a goddamn balloon to the goddamn foreman.
EDIT: centripetal force is inward, I'm forgetting mah basic physics nuuuu
Xmo5 (07/11/2016 03:45pm):
So the issue that comes into play is reference frames. Imagine you're holding a string
with a ball on the end of it and you're spinning it in circles around your body. What
forces are there? Well, as it turns out, you're actually pulling the ball towards you at
any given point (centripetal force), but once the ball is moving, it's momentum keeps it
moving perpendicular to your pull at any given point. This is how planetary (and lunar)
orbits work: Gravity pulls the moon towards the Earth, but the moon is already moving
sideways really fast so it tries to curve towards the Earth, but "misses" because it's
going so fast. Now, nothing is technically applying a force to the moon or the ball to
push it away from you, it just maintains distance due to the rotating force vector and
it's momentum at any given time, but if you draw the problem from the reference frame of
the moon or ball, there needs to be another "force" on the diagram to show that it doesn't
get closer, despite the centripetal force acting on it. That's where centrifugal force
comes in, any many physics teachers sort of make fun of it for being fake, while others
take it more seriously. This is a bit simplified, but you get the idea

Now that you know! Check this out:

https://xkcd.com/123/
Melt (07/12/2016 01:28am):
Wow I created a map and got a lesson on Centrifugal forces. That was definitely an
intereting read, thanks for that.

After the games on this map are done, I plan to move the air ports. I might expand the
bck islands and put a city on them, idk if 12k would fix the stalemate problem, I doubt it.
But also it's a free for all so anything could happen really. I think making it base light
could fix the stalemate problem, but idk if that would make the map feel bland cause I
like the feeling of one base for every front your fighting.
Nyvelion (07/12/2016 08:22am):
If you start a game on this map with only 500 funds per city per turn, you could call the
game name "Centrifrugal"
liandry (07/12/2016 08:39am):
^then watch as people struggle to put units on bases for a while lol
Xmo5 (07/12/2016 08:42am):
Bahahaha

Base light would fix the stalemate problem a good bit. Taking out the neutral base could
go a long way IMO, but remember to make each starting base of equal importance. If one is
responsible for capturing fewer cities, make that one get the airport, etc. etc. The FTA
counter will be most even that way.

Also, I'm not sure many people fall into the category of "I can bore to death with
explanations of centrifugal vs centripetal forces and they come back to tell me it was an
interesting read.", so that's a plus. :)



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