Lights Out
Creator: Walker Boh || First Published: 11/24/2017 || Players: 2 || Size: 19x25
Categories: B-Rank, Fog of War
Rating: 5.00 in 13 ratings
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Comments:
walkerboh01 (11/24/2017 07:17am | Edited: 11/24/2017 07:18am):
This is a remodel of Volcove's map, Illumination: http://awbw.amarriner.com/prevmaps.php?maps_id=38320

The original map had a cool concept, but had several problems that led to a high propensity for stalemates and
generally subpar gameplay. This version has (I think) fixed most of those flaws while preserving the original
concept.

Some notable changes include:
- Repositioning of the starting bases to mitigate FTA concerns with uneven fronts and allow for longer distances
from the fronts to the bases.
- Switching the sub to be on unfriendly terrain, so that it eventually runs out of fuel and is extinguished.
- Widening of the center of the map and reduction of forests, to help prevent stalemates.
- Rework of much of the terrain between the bases and the fronts, to allow for more likelihood of skirmishes on the
sides of the map, and to force players to make tough decisions about deployment routes.
a9977321 (11/24/2017 11:42am):
After checking the original I have a feeling that the sub should always remain there to
act as a light...... Anyway the change in the position of the lab is really good.

Still in the current position a stalemate seemed to be possible as well...
GorgonSofia (07/14/2021 01:07am):
Word of warning: if you play as Sturm, Von Bolt or Rachel, the enemy submarine WILL attract your CO Power and completely
waste it. Hold your power until you destroy the sub, or don't play as them.

Alternatively, please ban those COs as a default setting of this map, as it is basically a new player trap.
Azarel (07/25/2021 11:19am | Edited: 10/04/2025 02:05pm):
P̶e̶r̶s̶o̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶a̶ ̶f̶a̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶R̶e̶c̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶S̶u̶b̶ ̶g̶i̶m̶m̶i̶c̶k̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶v̶i̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶s̶i̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶s̶p̶e̶c̶t̶s̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶
̶i̶n̶t̶e̶n̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶w̶i̶n̶g̶/̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶u̶n̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶r̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶p̶p̶o̶n̶e̶n̶t̶.

̶W̶h̶a̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶e̶s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶n̶o̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶u̶b̶s̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶b̶a̶s̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶n̶d̶i̶r̶e̶c̶t̶s̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶
̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶u̶n̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶a̶t̶t̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶a̶n̶k̶s̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶l̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶i̶m̶a̶l̶ ̶d̶a̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶.


̶W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ ̶p̶a̶r̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶p̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶i̶n̶i̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶u̶n̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶'̶r̶e̶ ̶S̶a̶m̶i̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶+̶1̶ ̶m̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶n̶s̶p̶o̶r̶t̶s̶,̶ ̶L̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶s̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶.

̶N̶o̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶7̶ ̶m̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶e̶s̶ ̶2̶ ̶t̶u̶r̶n̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶l̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶a̶l̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶m̶t̶o̶w̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶u̶n̶t̶a̶i̶n̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶
̶b̶e̶s̶i̶d̶e̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶p̶e̶r̶t̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶i̶s̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶s̶i̶g̶n̶i̶f̶i̶c̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶n̶e̶f̶i̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶ ̶l̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶.̶ ̶A̶n̶d̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶a̶b̶l̶y̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶
̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶T̶r̶a̶n̶s̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶C̶o̶p̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶w̶a̶y̶.

̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶A̶i̶r̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶1̶ ̶t̶u̶r̶n̶ ̶e̶a̶r̶l̶i̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶p̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶c̶o̶s̶t̶s̶ ̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶h̶a̶l̶f̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶l̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶
̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶k̶w̶a̶r̶d̶l̶y̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶n̶s̶p̶o̶r̶t̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶1̶~̶2̶ ̶t̶i̶l̶e̶s̶ ̶e̶x̶t̶r̶a̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶l̶e̶.

̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶i̶l̶e̶ ̶n̶e̶x̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶p̶e̶r̶t̶y̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶S̶h̶o̶a̶l̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶S̶e̶a̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶L̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶u̶t̶i̶l̶i̶z̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶7̶ ̶m̶o̶v̶e̶.


̶S̶t̶i̶l̶l̶,̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶q̶u̶e̶s̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶g̶i̶m̶m̶i̶c̶k̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶r̶u̶s̶t̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶n̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶L̶a̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶p̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶o̶v̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶
̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶p̶.

Edit: Randomly saw this map and my comment over 4 years later and well all I can say is I was a complete noob that just started playing
jordanzeeg (07/29/2021 04:56am | Edited: 07/29/2021 04:58am):
If you're new to this map, there's a cheese on the fog version where if your opponent is playing as sami, they can hide their
mech/infantry in the forests within 4/5 squares of the lab and wait for their Super power. Against sami regardless of "hehe
vision gimmick is funny" you have to prioritize destroying the sub so that you can properly defend your lab. if you don't clear
the sub they have vision to clear your defenses for the ambush from the forests.

There are other maps that warn about this kind of cheese where you have to put a unit on your hq/lab to defend against sami
cheese. This one you cant do that because the sub is owned by them, and they can use the delete unit command to clear the
way whenever they so choose.



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